so i downloaded both things, how do you run them?

err... raven? what do you download from there?  :oops:

so you download something from that webpage you mensioned in the thread you suggested, what do you download though from there? how do you get there?

well, how do you create the graphics, what program do you use?

can someone tell me how to make graphics, and animate them?

i'm new here, i've read the manual, i've done basic java programs, and swing programs, i want to learn about the 3D engine, can someone breifly explain it to me? how do you start making graphics, and how do you animate?